When mobile applications first became popular (most noticeably with the introduction of the iPhone and Apple App Store), there was somewhat of a gold rush. App developers were creating games and other applications, and it seemed like every other week we were reading success stories of people who “hit it big” (and in some cases, made millions) with a simple app or game.
That was several years ago – today, the market is flooded with apps and there’s tons of competition. And with a bit of money, you (and anyone else who isn’t a computer programmer), can have your own app developed. It’s a lot harder to succeed in today’s environment.
For this reason, I’m excited about today’s interview with Andreas Kambanis, an app developer who has no programming experience. Even in today’s competitive market, he’s creating successful apps and making good money with them.
In this interview, Andreas tells us about how he started his app business, the challenges he’s faced along the way, and the tips he has for anyone looking to create their own app. As you might guess, simply creating a great app isn’t good enough to be successful.
Check out the interview and let me know what you think!
Andreas, I’m excited to learn a bit more about your background. I know you created a popular cyclist blog over 6 years ago that still does very well today, and more recently, started a highly successful mobile app business. Tell us a bit more about your background and journey. How did you become a mobile app developer? Do you have programming skills, or did you outsource a lot of the work?
I have exactly zero mobile programming skills. I realized early on that it would be an uphill climb for me to learn to program and that if the idea was good enough, it would be worth paying a developer to get it done right.
My breakthrough in the mobile app world came fairly early on. I was running my cycling blog and had the idea for a simple guide to bike maintenance. I felt the options already out there were too complicated and that it would be great if someone could simplify it for complete beginners.
Around about the same time, the iPhone 3GS came out, and I bought myself one. I decided it would be perfect if cyclists had a bike maintenance manual on the phones, accessible at all times.
I reached out to a developer that had created a great cycling app and suggested we partner up 50/50. I produce the content and do the marketing, and he creates the app. Two months of hard work later, Bike Doctor was born.
Flash forward to 2013, I decided to travel for 14 months from Vancouver to Antarctica. At the start of the trip I actually told myself “I’m going to take it easy this year, just run my cycling blog and enjoy the travels”. It didn’t last long. On the second month, I decided to partner with the number one podcaster in the health and food space, and create a best selling iPhone app called Caveman Feast.
The app hit the number one spot in Food and Drink within 24 hours of launching. Within 48 hours it was in the top 10 apps in the entire store.
It was a huge success. Nowadays, I’m always on the lookout for new partnerships with recipe bloggers.
What do you consider to be your greatest success (or successes) so far with your app development business?
The past four apps I’ve created have hit the number one spot in the Food and Drink category. Our most recent app, 30 Day Green Smoothie Challenge, was actually selected by Apple to be featured, before it had even been approved in the App Store. The approval at such a high level was a real pat on the back to show that we’re doing great work and Apple appreciates us.
It takes around 8,000 downloads in a day to hit the Top 10 paid apps in the entire store. This gives you an idea of what kind of downloads we aim for at launch.
Obviously, things calm down a lot after launch week.
I’m sure there were times when your entrepreneurial journey was challenging and maybe even a bit nerve-racking. What was the biggest challenge you’ve faced, and how did you overcome it?
When we first launched Caveman Feast, our audience were screaming at us to get this app on Android. We’d had huge success on the Apple App Store, so Android was a logical next step and we wanted to respond to our users. I was in Colombia in Medellin at the time and I bumped in to the owner of a development company out there at a meetup.com event for entrepreneurs.
We connected, I visited their offices and we got a quote of around $10,000 to develop the app for Android.
We decided it was worth it, parted with our money and after a lot of back and forward and a big learning curve from me due to the differences on Android, we launched.
A haystack rolled by. In the first month we did around $2,000 worth of downloads. This was a fraction of what we achieved on the App Store.
Our assumption was that Android users are prepared to pay for a high quality app, the same as iPhone users. This simply wasn’t the case.
It took us getting featured by Google before we started to head towards the break even point.
I believe we only just broke even last month, after about 8 months.
We learned our lesson: if you want to succeed on Android, you can’t simply assume that the same business model of an upfront paid app will work. You need to explore other options, such as advertising.
For now, I’m steering well clear of Android, as I’m in no rush to lose money again.
I’ve heard that the mobile app development space has become incredibly competitive and saturated, where someone can create an amazing app that never sees the light of day if it’s not marketed correctly. What has been your strategy for actually getting your apps to market and generating sales?
The problem is, a lot of people focus on only one part of the equation: “Create a great app!” Sadly, the gold rush days on the App Store are over. You need to couple that now with great marketing.
For me, my strategy has been simple. I don’t like mass emailing journalists and bloggers, so instead I partner up with people that already have an audience that loves what they’re doing and the content they’re putting out there.
We then promote the app to that audience and inevitably it does well.
Of course there are some other excellent promotional routes. A particular one I’d love to explore more is creating an amazing demo video. I was recently looking at a list of 10 examples of great app videos and I can really see how they can go viral.
My strategy in the App Store largely boils down to one sentence: Create a huge splash on day one.
This means I aim to get as many downloads as possible in the first 24 hours, so that I can hit the top spots within a category. The visibility there is likely to get noticed by Apple’s App Store editorial team, who may then choose to feature the app.
What advice would you offer to someone who has never created an app before, has no programming skills, but has a good idea for an app and wants to pursue it? What do you wish someone would’ve told you when you first started?
I wish someone would have sat me down and said: “Hold up there tiger! Are you sure a partnership is the best route?”
For my first ever app, Bike Doctor, I partnered with a developer, with a 50/50 split of profits. This was a great way of getting started when I had no money and it was low risk. However, it came back to bite me.
I ended up paying the developer far more from the profits of the app, than it would of cost me simply hiring someone.
Also, the developer became disinterested in the project and therefore development came to a halt.
I learned from my mistake and nowadays I always pay for development.
What’s your favorite inspirational quote (either from someone else or one that you came up with)?
We delight in the beauty of the butterfly, but rarely admit the changes it has gone through to achieve that beauty. — Maya Angelou
People will come up to me and say “You’ve got it easy, you just build apps, travel, work whenever you want.” They don’t realize how I spent the first four years after university living out of the overdraft in my bank account. Each month I would be overdrawn, struggling to pay the rent. It took time and effort to get to where I am today, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
I think we can be put off by the size of the journey ahead of us. We look at the top guys in our fields and think, “I could never get there”. However, we don’t realize that at some point they were where you are today. They glimpsed upon that mountain in front of them and said “Let’s do it!”
Now you’ve got the same decision to make.
What are your favorite online resources for app development and promotion?
http://dribbble.com/ – The best place to find a designer. Browse through other people’s work and get in touch with them. That’s where I’ve always found my designers.
https://iosdevweek.ly/home – weekly interesting updates from the iOS world delivered to your inbox. You’ll be wiser for having subscribed to it.
http://releasenotes.tv/ – an excellent regular podcast that gives you the perspective of two developers
http://taptaptap.com/ < An epic blog from one of the most successful developers in the app store, who openly shares his secrets and numbers.
Parse.com < The service we use to send push notifications and to run the back-end of some of our apps. Very reasonably priced and it seems here to stay.
AppFigures.com < For keeping track of your app sales
AppAnnie.com < For analyzing competitors
Finally, where can people find you online?
Thanks for your time today, Andreas.
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